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You have every right to be excited -- it is different seeing it on TV! And I'm very excited that you're excited, because now we can be excited together!

SQUEE IT'S ON TONIGHT SQUEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That's very interesting that you got into Liz/Brig through fanfic. I didn't notice any special chemistry between them in "Spearhead," but as I said, I normally have to be hit over the head to notice these things. In fact, I wonder if I would've noticed that moment in "Silurians" if I hadn't known that Liz/Brig is a popular ship. But it is a bit of an insidious ship once it's in your head . . . hmm, maybe I should go back and watch "Spearhead" again and see what I think now!

The trip did go very well, thanks!

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tempestas_inu it was fic that started me shipping them - namely

lost_spook's fics.

But once I started watching the show, Caroline and Nicholas' chemistry just leapt off the screen at me!

YAY for The Pandorica Opens! I predict you will be screaming "Nooooo!" and wanting to watch The Big Bang as soon as the final credits roll on TPO!

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I can't think of a better way to get into a ship than through fic written by

thisbluespirit!

I predict you will be screaming "Nooooo!" and wanting to watch The Big Bang as soon as the final credits roll on TPO!

It has occurred to me that even though I've made it all the way to now, the one thing left that could break my resolve to wait for a BBCA broadcast might just be that cliffhanger for TPO (whatever it is) . . . we'll see!

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I can't think of a better way to get into a ship than through fic written by lost_spook!

Nor I!

It has occurred to me that even though I've made it all the way to now, the one thing left that could break my resolve to wait for a BBCA broadcast might just be that cliffhanger for TPO (whatever it is) . . . we'll see!

I'd say it's entirely possible! If you DO hold out - well, I think a special award will be in order. (But if you can't wait, no one will think badly of you!)

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Aw, I'm all jealous of you now being behind - no more new Who for us till Christmas! ;-)

And that is a very good question, and one I'm happy to answer at length... :lol: *cough* Anyway, Spearhead From Space was one of 3 Pertwee vids I owned for a long time... and just watch the Brig chatting her up at the start... Sorry, I mean interviewing her. (But there is a theory that says you can't screencap the two of them from that serial in the same shot that doesn't look wrong out of context. It seems to be true.) And then the wretched Doctor swans in and swipes her from under his nose. Poor Brig. It was all going so well. :lol:

So I kind of had it fixed in my head before I saw the rest, but Inferno, whatever else it tells us, also very strongly implicates that in a world without the Doctor, the Brigadier and Liz get together. In a disturbing way, but still... And in Ambassadors, when the villain says "I've killed your friends at UNIT, ha ha." to Liz, does she do what pretty much any other single white companion would do and gasp "The Doctor?" No. Her reaction is: "The Brigadier?!"

Silurians was the last one I saw properly, and now I think it might be the shippiest of them all. It's just a fun, sarky UST, never-going-to-happen ship. Perfect for writing snarky dialogue in fic. So I did. :-) Actually - and I don't think she's really around anymore sadly -

sleepy_sheep683 wrote a huge essay on why Brig/Liz is canon, or ought to be, which lists almost everything we see on screen that can be interpreted that way. (You should check out the Torchwood-ised comic strip version of Spearhead while you're there. Disturbing, but hilarious.)

Plus the commentary for Spearhead is also encouraging in these matters. :lol: Nicholas Courtney explains about the Brigadier's love life, and on mentioning his divorce, Caroline John says, "He should have gone to Cambridge."
Nick: Eh?
Caroline: Where Liz went.
Nick: Oh, no, he married Doris.
Caroline: Doris!?!
Among other things.

And I am very proud to have corrupted Pers. :-D

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And I am very proud to have corrupted Pers. :-D

Hee! It was just the first of several occasions on which YOU evilly oppressed ME instead of vice versa! :D

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Interesting! I admit that "Silurians" is the first time I noticed anything remotely shippy between them at all (it's implied they get together in "Inferno"? Really?) but that's not too surprising as I don't tend to ship, or to see shippiness. I haven't seen "Ambassadors of Death," and it looks like it's not out yet on DVD, but hopefully it will be someday and I'll get to see it.

I'll have to check out

sleepy_sheep683's essay, thanks! And yes, you should be very proud of corrupting Pers! You oppressed the Oppressor!! ; )

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I believe

lost_spook's referring to Eyepatched!Brig and Dom!Liz from the alt!verse of Inferno. There's a very strong hint there that the two of them are a couple.

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*nods* It's very disturbing. It's definitely implied that she's got where she is by sleeping with him. Ah, S7, how we love you... :lol:

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It is disturbing - but it's also interesting - and a very clever way of distinguishing between our!Liz and alt!Liz who doesn't need to sleep with anyone to prove herself...

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Interesting, because I don't remember that at all. The implication probably went completely by me.

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It was every day implied, but never said. :lol: (Or whatever it is that Marianne actually says...)

Maybe it's just the shifty looks they keep giving each other, and... everything, especially when she shoots him at the end.

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Corrupted Pers? Perish the thought! I merely led her gently to the path of shippiness enlightenment that is Brig/Liz. I'm sure she'd have found her way there anyhow - it's a reserved ship of taste, breeding, snark and trying to flap the unflappable Brig. :lol:

No, sadly, Ambassadors is the outstanding serial from S7 - one day! It's really the 'worst' one of the run, but I love it to bits. I love the overblown pre-credits/title bit where it goes 'The Ambassadors... of DEATH'; the eerie space suits, UNIT storm a warehouse and look convincing, the Doctor and the Brig make up after The Silurians (aw), Liz wears a silly hat and tells her kidnapper not to worry, she won't hurt him; and best of all Sgt Benton turns up, and murders a hapless professor. It has padding, I admit, but I love it. (You can tell, can't you?) It's sort of the least shippy for Brig/Liz, but I see it there anyway. ;lol:

And in answer to the below, I see Pers has mentioned pretty much all I wrote. I think most people like the Five Times fic the best, and it probably is one of the better fics I've done. However, I have a soft spot for the first two of the Season 7 series - Haunting, in which I threw in nearly every 70s cliche I could think of, and Invisible Man. In fact the series then became Liz/Brig + cliche (which was why

john_elliott wrote A Turn in the Park for me - it was Brig + Liz + cliche yet again. ;-D

And, awww, am blushing for the fic-related compliments on this thread now.

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As for fic:

The aforementioned Sleepy_sheep's paired fics An Unexpected Education and No More Than A Feeling are great. (Although her Donna/Brig fic is completely disturbing but also hilarious and brilliant, I should add!)

Netgirl_y2k's All These Things That We've Done is wonderful, and shippy about as much as S7. ... And Atraphoenix has remixed it as The Yesterday, Today, Tomorrow Remix, which is equally good - and she wrote a great little Brig/Liz AU, mostly focusing on Susan, but see The Slow Path.

And Johne wrote me a birthday Brig/Liz ficlet, which is very nice: A Turn in the Park.

Gary Merchant's A Fresh Start considers Brig/Liz as the reason Liz left (as do many of the others.)

The best one, I think, is this: Settiai's Moving Forward.

I may have ~~got obsessed~~ written some a while back, too. ;-)

I did say I could answer this at length - but since both the above said it was ficcing that started them off, I thought you ought to have some recs. :-)

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Oooh, fanfic recs! Thanks! Although I notice you're not reccing any of your own fics -- can you self-pimp me a few, or will I have to go to Pers for those? ; )

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In case

lost_spook's too shy to self-pimp:

Season 7 Series is a series of UNIT based adventures

A Matter of Timing is a lot of fun!

A Stitch in Time - and if you enjoy this you must help me oppress

lost_spook into writing more because it ends far too abruptly!

Matchmaking is set in the middle of Atraphoenix's fic "The Slow Path" (as mentioned by

lost_spook above).

Five Times Liz Shaw and the Brigadier Saved the World is basically the whole of Liz's TV season, but without Three. It's probably my fave of her stuff.

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Thanks! : )

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